Expelled: Upcoming documentary raises controversy in the blogosphere over its anti-evolution stance

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I was planning on watching this movie on the premise that it presents a view closer to my own. I am more convinced than ever that it has an accurate representation of the trouble in our academic circles. With Jonah Goldberg's books "Liberal Fascism" and "Bias" and another book entitled "101 Professors" documenting cases after case of attacks on any conservative idea or report, yes, I can believe any charge made against the left. There are other film projects that are similarly reporting these stories but generally are created and delivered by religious organizations. This similarity is the only basis the left have for charging the producers with bringing a religious viewpoint. Christians aren't wrong for bringing these facts to light, and this movie is not wrong for reporting the same facts. The similar message does not make the producers religious, the stories happen to be true and scandalous.

In fact Jonah Goldberg was commenting on this very thing this morning. When the Liberals are arguing with the Conservatives, if they start losing the debate, they revert to attacking the character of the messenger. This way they don't have to stand or fall with the credibility of their facts, because they undermine the credibility of their detractors. This is from the Liberal play book written way back in the 80's. After twenty years, the Conservatives have learned how to respond. "Never mind me, answer the facts."
Intelligent design is taught in academia. It's just taught in western philosophy and theology courses under its proper name - the cosmological argument - a.k.a. first cause.

The ID people could make a valid case for teaching first cause in schools. They could argue the merits of philosophical and religious literacy, and make a strong case for making a western philosophy or world religions curriculum available to students.

But they don't do that. Instead, they try to force a philosophical idea into the science classrooms, and in the process make it abundantly clear that their only real goal is to engage in religious proselytizing on the taxpayer dime. The judge in PA didn't fall for it, and neither has most of the American populace.
An added note: for an interesting look at religion in academia, check out Speaking of Faith's Beyond the Atheism/Religion Divide with Author Harvey Cox. He actually details his professorship of a course on Jesus and moral reasoning and how that came about, leading up to his book When Jesus Came to Harvard.
Thanks, Sheri for this additional information. Would be very interesting to check out. All the best, Jim.
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I have been waiting for this movie to hit theaters for months now. I am going to see it at a local theater on Friday when it comes out. I think this movie will more focus on "theories" that are being taught in our public schools and the fact that they are being taught as facts, e.g., Darwinism. It should be very interesting and it's ABOUT DAMN TIME someone stood up and said, "If we can't teach Intelligent Design, why can YOU teach Darwinism." They are BOTH theories. Why does one get taught and the other doesn't? Both have scientific facts to back them up. I can't wait to see this. For more on the subject you can google Dr. Kent Hovind. Thanks for posting!
I did use an incorrect phrase here - ID is the teleological argument, not the ontological argument. That'll teach me to cut back on caffeine.
Understood. Thanks for clarifying.
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Ben is a cool dude I have been a fan of his for years , this is going to make alot of liberals VERY MAD ,, and I say good !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another friend of mine wrote about this movie a couple weeks ago. His perspective was that intelligent design theories need to be backed with proper scientific method, which I agree. My comment there states my beliefs on the matter fairly succinctly which is simply that I do believe there is more to it then just mud and lightning. Evolution certainly exists, but we still don't understand certain things and I think intelligent design might have a place there. Even things we truly believe are random fall into discernible patterns and we don't know why this is.

Having said that, I do think there are certain prejudices that need to be examined. The arguments for intelligent design may be a bit too easily dismissed but that's just opinions and prejudices getting in the way of actual science.
Ooops. I was going to post a link to my friend's argument.
We, the undersigned American citizens, urge the adoption of policies by our nation’s academic institutions to ensure teacher and student academic freedom to discuss the scientific strengths and weaknesses of Darwinian evolution. Teachers should be protected from being fired, harassed, intimidated, or discriminated against for objectively presenting the scientific strengths and weaknesses of Darwinian theory. Students should be protected from being harassed, intimidated, or discriminated against for expressing their views about the scientific strengths and weaknesses of Darwinian theory in an appropriate manner.

The movie does not present the proof of ID, all it is doing is calling for an open and honest discussion. Presently scientists cannot get funding or grants to do the research on ID. Researchers and teachers are fired for presenting any other idea than ENS. Many of those interviewed wanted to have their identities protected for fear of losing their jobs or credibility within their departments.

The supporters of ENS are so adamant about this (theory) that they will not allow any discussion because this is literally a religion to them. It is the religion of non-culpability. They don't want to believe they might come under the judgment of a righteous God, so they cling to any explanation for life that negates a Creator. It is a form of faith.

The other day I got up and went into the kitchen and I noticed an open box of Alpha Bets laying on its side on the table. Under the mouth of the box was a napkin and on the napkin were some of the cereal and low and behold the cereal was aligned and in an order that formed a sentence. It read, "Bob take the garbage out Love Molly"
Whoa, there must have been an earth quake last night and it knocked the box of cereal over onto the napkin and spilled this cereal out onto it and it happened to fall into this arrangement!!
NO!!!, there was obviously a designer. I've heard from Dawkins the DNA code for a simple amoeba strung out would fill a thousand full sets of the Encyclopedia Brittanica. Its like saying, "There was an explosion in the printing factory and that's how we got the Library of Congress"
Folks that's faith, a lot more faith than I have.
We, the undersigned American citizens, urge the adoption of policies by our nation’s academic institutions to ensure teacher and student academic freedom to discuss the scientific strengths and weaknesses of Darwinian evolution. Teachers should be protected from being fired, harassed, intimidated, or discriminated against for objectively presenting the scientific strengths and weaknesses of Darwinian theory. Students should be protected from being harassed, intimidated, or discriminated against for expressing their views about the scientific strengths and weaknesses of Darwinian theory in an appropriate manner.

The movie does not present the proof of ID, all it is doing is calling for an open and honest discussion. Presently scientists cannot get funding or grants to do the research on ID. Researchers and teachers are fired for presenting any other idea than ENS. Many of those interviewed wanted to have their identities protected for fear of losing their jobs or credibility within their departments.

The supporters of ENS are so adamant about this (theory) that they will not allow any discussion because this is literally a religion to them. It is the religion of non-culpability. They don't want to believe they might come under the judgment of a righteous God, so they cling to any explanation for life that negates a Creator. It is a form of faith.

The other day I got up and went into the kitchen and I noticed an open box of Alpha Bets laying on its side on the table. Under the mouth of the box was a napkin and on the napkin were some of the cereal and low and behold the cereal was aligned and in an order that formed a sentence. It read, "Bob take the garbage out Love Molly"
Whoa, there must have been an earth quake last night and it knocked the box of cereal over onto the napkin and spilled this cereal out onto it and it happened to fall into this arrangement!!
NO!!!, there was obviously a designer. I've heard from Dawkins the DNA code for a simple amoeba strung out would fill a thousand full sets of the Encyclopedia Brittanica. Its like saying, "There was an explosion in the printing factory and that's how we got the Library of Congress"
Folks that's faith, a lot more faith than I have.

I personally think this video is a joke and hurts the creationist more than the evolutionist. I think a hostile environment exists for scientists who claim that ID is a scientific argument. By definition, there is no way ID could pass as a scientific argument. It deals with faith, belief, and the supernatural, all of which are outside the realm of science.

Science seems to be the theme on which many keep disregarding Creation.

I suggest we need to define science. There is true science and there is bogus science. The science taught in most liberal settings is fabricated falsehoods.

Many people don't understand how science really works.

My whole post didn't seem to make it for some reason. Excuse me while I try again.

Many people don't understand how science really works. Theories are at the top of the hierarchy in science. A theory is an explanation for physical phemomena that ties a bunch of individual facts together and explains them. A scientific theory is in no way some sort of "wishy-washy" construct, but something that must be very rigorously arrived at and defended continuously within the scientific community, or else it is discarded. Gravitation is still a "theory". How music works is a "theory", hence the term "music theory". The term "theory" is a synonym to "explanation", but in science explanations can always be refined or discarded. But if discarded, the new explanation that takes its place must explain everything that was understood by the old explanation. This is precisely what happened with Einstein's Special Relativity replaced Newton's laws of motion as our understanding of how the universe really works.

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